[5:05:19 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: Your thoughts on the entire Leo Situation?
[5:05:34 PM] Victor Delacroix: you mean the YouTube videos?
[5:06:01 PM] Victor Delacroix: I tried reasoning with PCube but alas, my naive self forgot that he can't be reasoned with so I reported his videos for harrassment
[5:06:09 PM] Victor Delacroix: I mean, Leo is no saint, I can tell you that
[5:06:18 PM] Victor Delacroix: but the way PCube acts is hardly different
[5:06:29 PM] Victor Delacroix: and I still remember how he harassed Kew
[5:06:29 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: Leo is literally flogging around the forums telling people to kill themselves
[5:06:34 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: lol
[5:06:38 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: and no one did anything
[5:06:41 PM] Victor Delacroix: Where? Haven't seen on OU
[5:06:54 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: Forums that have been since deleted by Smirf or Han
[5:07:03 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: but I've seen them myself, first hand
[5:07:14 PM] Victor Delacroix: Well then, if they were deleted and he still ain't banned...
[5:07:20 PM] Victor Delacroix: Leo has his psycho episodes, yeah
[5:07:28 PM] Victor Delacroix: I haven't seen those particular ones
[5:07:38 PM] Victor Delacroix: but it is believable he did that.
[5:08:15 PM] Victor Delacroix: Jesse, I am not taking any sides here to be frank. I don't give a shit. I can help in development of projects, Leo's included
[5:08:29 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: Casey merely suggested that Leo be banned for his repeated behawior and he himself got banned on the spot... by Han.. someone who has not a single shred of relevance to the entire community, seeing as herself DOESNT EVEN PLAY UNREAL lol
[5:08:33 PM] Victor Delacroix: but engaging in pointless debates or reacting to forum drama is beneath me
[5:08:44 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: Hey yeah...
[5:08:55 PM] Victor Delacroix: Oh no, Han has huge relevance to the 227 patch as it is
[5:09:06 PM] Victor Delacroix: this guy is a coder that maintains a lot of code for it by now
[5:09:35 PM] Victor Delacroix: and let us not forget he maintains so many of classic and obscure Unreal Engine games by providing unofficial headers and other stuff for them
[5:10:10 PM] Victor Delacroix: and yeah, suggesting that a certain person be banned, PUBLICLY no less is out of place and unacceptable
[5:10:30 PM] Victor Delacroix: if you think a person should be banned, you MAY risk a PM to the forum staff but even that is tricky
[5:10:48 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: "RISK" a PM
[5:10:52 PM] Victor Delacroix: because there is staff and staff. Some of these people may feel like they're being ordered around and you get shot yourself
[5:11:09 PM] Victor Delacroix: the best and healthiest course of action is to report offending posts using forum mechanisms
[5:11:19 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: implying that you risk being banned for having a contradictory opinion to the OU staff
[5:11:20 PM] Victor Delacroix: until the mods are tired with their author
[5:11:40 PM] Victor Delacroix: no, you risk being banned if a moderator on a given forum thinks you're ordering him around
[5:11:48 PM] Victor Delacroix: not OU but different forum, happened to me
[5:12:20 PM] Victor Delacroix: The best way is to report offending posts using the forum mechanisms and count on the staff patience to run out
[5:12:33 PM] Victor Delacroix: that's what I do on every forum I find myself in I find shit I don't like
[5:12:39 PM] Victor Delacroix: If it's dealt with, fine
[5:12:54 PM] Victor Delacroix: if it ain't, there are other places to be and my time is a valuable and finite commodity
[5:14:08 PM] Victor Delacroix: As far as OU goes... or OVERALL Unreal community
[5:14:16 PM] Victor Delacroix: you wanna know my humble opinion?
[5:14:29 PM] Victor Delacroix: When they don't work on projects or discuss the games strictly...
[5:14:32 PM] Victor Delacroix: they're fucking toxic
[5:14:36 PM] Victor Delacroix: most of them anyway
[5:15:29 PM] Victor Delacroix: bunch of regressive leftists in BUF Offtopic, lack of moderation on BUF overall, OU has WEIRD staff to be frank and that's just what I remember off the top of my head
[5:15:37 PM] Victor Delacroix: there's crazies everywhere.
[5:16:10 PM] Victor Delacroix: PCube, Dante, Klingon, Leo, RoninMastaFX...
[5:16:29 PM] Victor Delacroix: ...even Adam trying to ridicule that shitty and toxic environment at some point came close to being like them
[5:16:41 PM] Victor Delacroix: and yeah, I am no saint too
[5:16:48 PM] Victor Delacroix: been fucked up, especially at the beginning
[5:16:55 PM] Victor Delacroix: 2006 or so when I showed up on BUF?
[5:17:05 PM] Victor Delacroix: That was my first forum ever I believe
[5:17:11 PM] Victor Delacroix: or something like that
[5:17:24 PM] Victor Delacroix: at least I think it's 2006
[5:18:29 PM] Victor Delacroix: This is in large part a shitty place to be and by now it's half-dead too, which means what was once fringe minority is now a very vocal and large opposition and sometimes actually coalition, with the normal people being opposition.
[5:20:59 PM] Victor Delacroix: ...your take on this?
[5:21:27 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: 100% taking Pcubes/Casey's side
[5:21:29 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: lol
[5:22:20 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: Smirf's stance made no fucking sense
[5:22:40 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: Leo is outright toxic, and he just went along abd banned Casey despite his 10 years of contribution to 227
[5:23:06 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: over the stupidest shit
[5:23:17 PM] Victor Delacroix: Yeah
[5:23:41 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: Smirf's wife doesnt even play Unreal, why does she even have Administrative influence either?
[5:23:42 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: wtf?
[5:23:42 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: lol
[5:25:30 PM] Victor Delacroix: does she still...?
[5:25:53 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: Apparently Smirf removed her admin status
[5:26:04 PM] Jesse 'Hyzoran' Kowalik: but doesn't make sense why she had it in the first place
[5:26:08 PM] Victor Delacroix: then why do you ask if this is a dead matter
[5:26:19 PM] Victor Delacroix: it's a dead matter, let it rest man